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I happened to be around in Prague, together with a person who has turned off the butt cigarette on the ground. 100 crowns in fines. Yes, because it seems che a Praga sia vietato spegnere la sigaretta a terra.
Oltre a vomitare, urinare e qualcos'altro.
Ma uno si chiede: dove lo spengo allora il mozzicone? Premesso che non fumo e quindi non mi pongo il problema, mi interessa il fatto di avere strade pulite.
Ecco, nel centro storico di Stoccolma, ci sono appositi portacenere al muro. Così uno evita di mandare a fuoco il cestino dei rifiuti...
Ho avuto l'occasione di assistere in diretta alla nascita di una semi bufala: parlo della vicenda delle irregolarità nel voto degli italiani in Repubblica Ceca, per l'elezione del Parlamento Europeo. Ne avevo già parlato qui e here.
I call it, for the moment, half buffalo for surely a half is a hoax. The part concerning the propagation of seats has already been clarified. In summary there are two seats for five constituencies, ten common: they all come back. The other part of the story, the one concerning the number of votes, is still under investigation. You may terminate only when you have the official version.
There were people who said something like, yeah, Oh well, 'we do questions ... then if the institutions we explain how these data are blown out, we will reverse. What is the problem.
I want to explain So what's the problem. On the internet hoaxes spread very quickly, especially when they take on issues in which people are sensitive: scandals, abuse of animals, and of course politics. Once shot the buffalo, stretches like wildfire on the net, and it becomes almost impossible to rectify . We see that this semi-hoax has already done its damage.
Here I report a series of links to articles where the buffalo of the seats that magically multiply is reported, sometimes with delicious irony:
http://bru64.altervista.org/forum/viewtopic.php?t=12315 & ; sid = dcecf9cbfae896fd64bb0e0c196a431d
http://www.politicamentecorretto.com/index.php?news=13609
http://italianimbecilli.blogspot.com/2009/06/brogli-elettorali-imbrogli.html
Ma la perla più bella la trovate in questo articolo di Massimo Recchioni.
Il Sig. Recchioni, si premura di correggere la stupidaggine dei dieci seggi. Il comunicato stampa ufficiale, riportava infatti:
Poi, essendo stati alcuni dei firmatari rappresentanti delle stesse nei 2 (DUE) seggi costituiti in Repubblica Ceca (dove tra Praga e Brno hanno votato 355 aventi-dirittto), nella mattinata di ieri lunedi' 8 giugno ci si e' accorti di qualcosa di quanto meno strano. Sembrava che i seggi in tale Paese fossero in realta' diventati 10.
e nell'articolo che ho linkato viene modificato così:
Poi, essendo stati alcuni dei firmatari rappresentanti delle stesse nei 2 (DUE) seggi costituiti in Repubblica Ceca (dove tra Praga e Brno hanno votato 355 aventi-dirittto), nella mattinata di ieri lunedì 8 giugno ci si è accorti di qualcosa di quanto meno strano. Sembrava che i seggi in tale Paese fossero in realtà diventati 10 (questa cosa si è poi spiegata col fatto che le comunicazioni di cui parla il sito sono le diverse Circoscrizioni, e quindi questo dato è l’unico a quadrare, perché 2 seggi x 5 Circoscrizioni fa 10 comunicazioni) .
Tuttavia il Sig. Recchioni non ha riletto, e la maestra diceva sempre di rileggere. Infatti gli è sfuggito che ancora adesso, poche righe più sotto, l'articolo riporta questa frase:
Nel sito del Ministero dell’Interno, piano piano venivano inseriti voti e votanti. I dati relativi agli italiani che hanno votato in Repubblica Ceca davano circa 600 voti validi con un elevato numero di voti per il PdL.
Alla fine, il Viminale indicava the final number (10 sections, in reality there were only 2).
And here it is again the story of ten sections that were really two.
And here's the rub, even the author of the hoax is able to correct his article (ah, FB were very careful not to correct it). How do you think the authors of the articles that are derived from this hoax, then they can correct it? The phenomenon is this: buffaloes born, spread, but then it is very difficult to bring them back . Unless those who have generated not take the trouble to look for all those who have republished to inform them of the error.
why I say that before you publish on the internet for any conspiracy theories, you have to go with leaden feet. BEFORE you try and get AFTER certainties and spread the news. Otherwise, it contributes to the spread of false information, without a real chance to bring them. We want to learn once and for all to be a bit 'serious on the network?
If indeed the three party representatives who drafted this press release does not want to lose their credibility, it would be appropriate - at least - send a message to all members of that group FB, to communicate its mistake and apologize for what .
not laughed so much for centuries. Now that's comedy ...
not to be missed!
(dedicated to all Bufalari ...)
Updating here my previous article I mentioned in dell'allarmatissimo Facebook group, which denounced "oddities" in the election results, its European allies last week.
last update forecasts that the rise of voters, could be due to the fact that in some countries, the turnout for the constituency III were too few, so those ballots were counted together with those of the Czech Republic
Indeed pages of Latvia, Lithuania, Malta and Poland's Interior Ministry on the site can be read
"ARE RECEIVED LESS THAN TWENTY SHEETS AND THEREFORE WERE ASSESSED ALONG WITH THOSE OF OTHER The
NATION VOTES OF RESIDENTS IN THE EUROPEAN UNION WERE ASSESSED ALONG WITH THOSE OF VOTERS TEMPORARILY ABROAD (3, paragraph 4, DL N.3/09) "
Perhaps, therefore, that those cards have gone to the Republic Czech along with other nations (such as Cyprus, which had 100% in district III).
But would still be only 76 cards at most (less than twenty four states). So where does it come out the other votes? There is the note from the Interior Ministry to help us remember how, in this election have voted abroad, for correspondence, particular categories of people:
January 27, 2009 Decree-Law No 3
Art. 2.
Voto dei cittadini temporaneamente fuori dal territorio dell'Unione europea per motivi di servizio o missioni internazionali in occasione delle elezioni dei membri del Parlamento europeo spettanti all'Italia dell'anno 2009
1. In occasione delle elezioni dei membri del Parlamento europeo spettanti all'Italia dell'anno 2009, esercitano il diritto di voto per corrispondenza all'estero per le circoscrizioni del territorio nazionale, secondo le modalità indicate nel presente articolo, i seguenti elettori:
a) appartenenti alle Forze armate e alle Forze di polizia temporaneamente fuori dal territorio dell'Unione europea in quanto impegnati nello svolgimento di missioni internazionali;
b) dipendenti di Amministrazioni dello Stato, di regioni o di province autonome, temporaneamente fuori dal territorio dell'Unione europea per motivi di servizio , qualora la durata prevista della loro permanenza all'estero, secondo quanto attestato dall'Amministrazione di appartenenza, sia superiore a tre mesi, nonchè, qualora non iscritti alle anagrafi dei cittadini italiani residenti all'estero, i loro familiari conviventi;
c) professori universitari, ordinari ed associati, ricercatori e professori aggregati , di cui all'articolo 1, comma 10, della legge 4 novembre 2005, n. 230, che si trovano in servizio fuori dal territorio dell'Unione europea presso istituti universitari e di ricerca abroad for a total duration of at least six months and, at the date of the decree of the President for convening the meetings, there are at least three months abroad, as well as, if not entered in the register of Italian citizens abroad , their families living.
means that there were also people who, being outside the EU , were unable to vote at polling stations consulates. For people outside the EU temporarily (and their family members if AIRE) voted by mail.
Too bad that in the pages of the Ministry of the Interior, there's a page with the list of votes received by mail. This is because, in stesso articolo 2 del dl 3/09 si legge:
13. L'assegnazione dei plichi, contenenti le buste con le schede votate dagli elettori di cui al comma 1, lettere a), b) e c), è effettuata, a cura dei presidenti dei rispettivi uffici elettorali circoscrizionali, ai singoli seggi in modo proporzionale, in numero almeno pari a venti buste e, in ogni caso, con modalità tali da garantire la segretezza del voto, l'inserimento in una medesima urna, lo scrutinio congiunto e la verbalizzazione unica previsti dai commi 15, lettera d), e 16.
Avrebbero quindi dovuto prendere i voti espressi per corrispondenza e darne un po' a ciascun seggio per lo scrutinio (ma almeno venti per questioni di segretezza del vote). Since, however, what needs to be verbalized, and did not want to complicate the lives of too many people, it is likely that they have distributed the votes by mail in a few nations, including the Czech Republic, which found itself with the absurd more voters than voters.
This seems plausible, especially given the extremely favorable result for PDL, resulting from the ballot. In those votes cast by mail are the votes of the Armed Forces on a mission, typically deployed on the right ( you imagine a soldier in Afghanistan who votes PD? ).
Now one might ask, did well not to increase the number of claimants (creating the misunderstanding del 103%)? Probabilmente sì, perché in effetti il numero di aventi diritto non cambia, per il fatto che insieme alle schede votate sono state aggiunte altre schede votate per corrispondenza. E non si sarebbe potuto aggiungere nemmeno il numero di elettori aventi diritto votanti per corrispondenza, visto che queste schede sono state divise tra più seggi.
Vedremo cosa ci diranno quando risponderanno alle interrogazioni parlamentari. Per ora questa mi sembra la spiegazione più logica e compatibile dal punto di vista della legge.
Nel frattempo sul gruppo di FB seguitano i messaggi di persone che gridano al complotto (stile Deaglio 2006), senza che alcuno dei cinque amministratori si premuri di fare le dovute precisazioni. Ad ora (10.22 del 14/6), la stupidaggine dei 10 seggi campeggi ancora in bella mostra nella presentazione del gruppo. Strani questi amministratori: velocissimo a fare le pulci alla mia matematica (sto ancora ridendo), ma lentissimi a correggere i LORO errori.
C'è questa cosa che io inizio a non sopportare: il virus dei contenuti su Facebook. Ogni tanto (e ormai molto spesso) inizi a vedere un filmato o un link postato da qualcuno su FB. Dopo poco ti accorgi che diversi altre persone lo postano. Di solito sono filmati accattivanti, link in materia politica. Oggi per esempio era la foto di Brunetta che dorme a una conferenza. L'hanno postata venti dei miei contacts.
not create content, you copy. And most of all you copy without knowledge of the facts. Often spread movies that would be better not to circulate. I refer to a video that ran a few days ago on FB. "Better living", was called. You see
Panariello doing his lecture against Saturday night. And then there are 8 minutes of gory pictures: cars destroyed, but most video traffic accidents. All to educate people to be cautious. Noble goal, certainly. And then you "share" the item. Without thinking ...
why an item, in my opinion, should not be propagated.
1) imagine losing a son in a car accident. Vi piacerebbe rivedere il suo filmato di quando, in sella alla sua moto, salta come un birillo in un frontale ? Quel filmato conteneva cruente immagini in stile Real TV. Solo che a Real TV si premunivano di selezionare immagini di incidenti senza troppe conseguenze. Qui invece ci fanno vedere i filmati di persone mentre crepano. Vi sembra accettabile?
2) alla fine della carneficina spunta Panariello che dice "quando la notte ti corre incontro troppo in fretta rallenta, e aspetta che ti raggiunga il giorno".
Peccato che quasi tutti i filmati di incidenti mostrati erano di giorno.E allora? Forse gli incidenti non ci sono solo perché si beve il sabato sera...Una persona dall'occhio attento avrà notato che molti incidenti nel filmato, are created by heavy vehicles. Oh, yes, it was some twenty years old who had gone to the disco to get high with dad's truck. But please ...
Here it seems that it always points the finger and they are against alcohol, but no one realizes that the causes are many, and the blame as well. So why the Panariello, instead of patronizing the boys from the glass easy, has alerted the public that the owners of trucking force their employees to do exhausting shifts without rest ? Maybe it was a thorny subject, and drew applause easy?
Have you ever heard of who has voted 103% of claimants? Be ', in effetti suona strano. Ma qualcuno dice sia così. Su Facebook, è nato un gruppo che chiede chiarezza sui risultati delle recenti elezioni europee, da parte degli italiani che hanno votato in Rep. Ceca. I rappresentanti di alcune liste dicono che durante le operazioni di voto al consolato di Prage e Brno avevano votato 355 italiani. Peccato però che sul sito del Ministero degli interni risultano 678 votanti. Al momento in cui scrivo sul sito vengono riportati 383 votanti su 370 aventi diritto.
Strano... molto strano... E allora si inzia a mettere la pulce nell'orecchio. Riporto dal gruppo FB (evidenziazioni mie):
Le sottoscritte liste pensavano di aver partecipato - e vogliono continuare a pensarlo again - a fair electoral competition.
and still
Taking a closer 'look, we have found that in District III (voting for central Italy) of the Czech Republic, the civic electorate reached enviable point, having them' the vote 103% of those-law. For those who had voted for the "ghost"? PDL .
concluding with:
Castlnuovo Probably not even a port, where the votes were counted, because 'they' were also representatives of the list. The error should then, by default, have occurred later, and that means' during data entry ? But, if it 's so, for how many sections you can' have done wrong? The answer may be very disturbing .
So away with the political case. There may be a fraud! Behind Mr. B!!
Then: quiet!
First: the matter is put in a very different way. Let us explain it clearly:
Who appoints the elect?
The Ministry of Interior has no power over the appointment of elected members. When a president of the polling station closes the count is complete the report that the extract of the minutes, that sums up only the numerical results of bare.
At this point the extract of the minutes from here and go to the Prefecture at the Interior Ministry, which publishes the results on the site. While the Central Election Office must report to the Court of Appeals that holy patience takes all the minutes, add up the votes and calculates the results from that division.
Okay, now we know what has taken every list in that constituency. And the elect? Quiet! The Central Electoral Office, send such beautiful numeretti National Election Office at the Court of Cassation. And they do that? For each list, add up the votes received in each district of Italy, who experience more than 4%, and make the calculations to divide the seats and appoint those elected. Indeed if you think about it, as the Court of Appeal in London to appoint elected if you do not know what lists on a national basis exceeded the 4%?
Ultimately, who is pulling the totals and appoint Mr. XY MEP is the National Election Office at the Court of Cassation. To specify that the members of these polling stations are judges, just to get a job without political interference.
And the Interior Ministry? We had left that he had received extracts of the minutes by the prefectures, and published on the total data. Here, data those totals, said brutally - not worth anything. Only serve to give a decent time (few hours) information al pubblico, ma non hanno alcun valore legale. Gli eletti , come abbiamo visto, li nomina la Corte di Cassazione , sulla base dei dati forniti dalla Corte d'Appello, che li ricava dai verbali dei seggi. La Corte di Cassazione quindi, non si basa sui dati del Viminale. Il percorso che fanno i numeri dal seggio alla Cassazione passa eslusivamente tramite istituzioni giudiziarie, senza mischiarsi con Prefetture e Ministero degli Interni.
Protestare quindi contro i risultati riportati sul sito è inutile e senza senso . Se un errore c'è stato, dev'essere nei dati ufficiali, che vengono usati per calcolare gli eletti. Un errore nei dati del Viminale, non ha alcun effetto pratico.
Possible spiegazione
Il 103% di elettori era presente solo nella circoscrizione III (centro). Per le altre circoscrizioni c'erano percentuali bassissime (mentre scrivo questa pagina il ministero ha cancellato tutti i dati). Dite che i laziali e i toscani che vivono a Praga hanno più senso civico dei Veneti o del Lombardi, che invece disertano le urne? Magari - e qui azzardo un'ipotesi - hanno fatto un bel casino e hanno fatto votare gli elettori per la circoscrizione sbagliata: magari a un Lombardo o un siciliano hanno dato la scheda della circoscrizione Centro. Quindi ti trovi con più votanti che non aventi diritto al centro e meno al Nord Ovest o al Sud.
La politica
Ovviamente poi tutto si strumentalizza in senso politico. Così, invece di capire come funzionano le cose, e provare a pensare a una spiegazione, si cerca la teoria di complotto. Tutto fa brodo per fare battaglia politica, l'importante è essere imprecisi nel raccontare le storie. In quel gruppo FB infatti lo scopo non era capire come erano andate le cose, ma solo creare lo scandalo politico.
Se si voleva avere la verità, si facevano le verifiche tecniche presso le istutizioni competenti (e non presso l'ambasciata e il Viminale che non hanno alcuna competenza né dovere a rispondere).
Solo quando si appurava che l'errore nei dati ufficiali c'era, si gridava allo scandalo.
Mi rimane da segnalare questa chicca: sembra che la storia sia stata riferita a Massimo Donadi, capogruppo Italia dei Valori, che sta pensando a un'interrogazione . Aspetto ansioso di leggerla: visti i precedenti del suo capo , ci sarà di che sbellicarsi dalle risate.
Aggiornamento
I dati sono tornati sul sito
Circ. votanti elettori %
I 106 463 22.89%
II 129 590 21.86%
III 383,370 103.51%
IV
60 215 27.90% 1991 0.00% V 0
--------------------- -------------------- ALL
678 1729 39.21%
aggiornamento 21:00
The saga continues: found that the comment below we can deduce that the 355 votes are referred by the representative of the list refer to the sum of the five boroughs and not in the Third division, where he complains, indeed, in 103%.
right, then let's make another assumption: it can be successful with division III of the Czech Republic have been scritinate the ballot for that district, in other countries (or in special seats?). If there were a few cards are not scrutinize themselves, to ensure the secrecy of the vote. Votes would be added that would boost the number of voters. And without updating the number of eligible combines the mess. How to tell if this was the problem? Going to see the minutes counting! (But looks a bit'...).
We'll see how it will end. It amuses me to see the level of some people in that group of FB. They've already got a crab as big as a house (as I pointed out) on the number of seats. They marveled that he had become magically seats ten when there were only two ( seemed that the seats in this country were actually 'become 10, the end, the Interior Ministry indicated the final number (10 sections, in reality' there were only 2) ). When I then pointed out that in reality were two sections multiplied by five constituencies, they told me that yes, they knew it. Too bad you look good and edit this information in the header of the group (which is correct! that transparency!). Too bad that you look good and correct their followers by pointing out that their was actually a crab. No, come here to check my math knowledge (not contemptible, friend), and continue to upload photos ironic in the space of the group (because you are funny and irreverent ...). Fleas are to me, when they proved not to live up to the task of representing the bench. Even now, continue to scream that they want answers from the Interior Ministry, despite being told that that is not the place to look for the catch. Dear friends, continue well to make up malicious speech FB, without attempting to correct a technical research problems. You probably think you are smart ones, who understand politics, but this lack of knowledge of procedures to prove only to be fish out of water in this environment.
If this is to prepare anti Berlusconi, we are bound to put up with Mr. B for much longer. Sigh!
I've had the tabs for the referendum election. A few days ago. The first thing you notice is there is a question of preferences. Those who think that by voting for this referendum will return preferences, in practice they think fucked up: you vote anything.
The second thing is the questions. One short and two long. Tomorrow I see cards to a few friends, we see that their reactions.
But the third thing I am very surprised ... Look carefully the photos ... how the fuck have written the answer in the affirmative?? Yes, YOU have written. But once the claim is not told who wrote "yes." Also capitalized: YES YES writes.
Correct me a few letters, please. I must be a mistake. I can not believe it is a mistake of the ministry.
to know what they reported: for "seditious cries and demonstrations." Article 654 of the Penal Code.
"seditious?". Good tells us that De Mauro a riot is a riot popular against established authority. " Tough stuff! It seems to be back to the bread riots in Milan. But those successes were in the seventeenth century. It's been a bit 'of centuries. And then ... but yes, by a law of the seventeenth century no longer applies today ... Of course, this criminal code conviction "seditious cries," have done in another period. Let's see, google ... here seems to have been done in 1930.
Hey, wait a minute ... but in 1930 there was in Italy ...
FASCISM
me shudder. Today, 2009, a Ministry in Lecco if he walks down the street one can only applaud. You can not whistle. Why it should be remembered, was a procession, it was not a rally, there were protesters with flags and banners. I can understand that if there is a procession, public policy can ensure that no disturbances occur away the supporters of the opposing faction. But in this case we only have a Minister who falls out of the car, and walk through the square. And then, removal of a third not a matter of public policy. It 'a matter of setting : The powerful have to believe that all we love, should not see the complaints. You must do the filming for the TV with the people who shakes his hand smiling. There should be a plastic world, the people behind the screen should not see that someone complains.
I remember when there were military parades in front of a happy and Mussolini did remove the tanks three times into thinking that we had three times the tanks. The powerful
welcomes and the country goes to puttante. But you should know about.
This worries me. I am concerned that a citizen can not open my mouth in a public square. I am concerned that an article of a code FASCIST, worth more art. 21 of the Constitution.
I am concerned, but I dream. In Prague, a friend of mine challenged Paroubek during his meeting with a large banner. Nono flew his hands, and the police has not arrested, although he was two meters by supporters of the CSSD. Dream that one day in Lecco, a rally is a show with applause on command. But a politician go to the streets to bring his ideas and receive applause if you say sensible things, or whistle if he says shit.
dream that one day, if a minister goes down the street there is a deployment of police to keep out the subjects, but anyone can come closer, as has happened to me with Topolanek (but also with Schwarzenberg, who as minister of Foreign came with a spare car and two men). And the dream that you can make an awkward question, a provocative one-bedroom in hand and not be touched with a finger, and not being sued. I dream that these things, granted in the country where I live now, they are also in my Lecco.
On June 27, Lecco will gather people who dream the same thing. I'll be there. Those one thousand kilometers of road between Prague and Lecco I can not do it. But it is as if you were there.