Have you ever heard of who has voted 103% of claimants? Be ', in effetti suona strano. Ma qualcuno dice sia così. Su Facebook, è nato un gruppo che chiede chiarezza sui risultati delle recenti elezioni europee, da parte degli italiani che hanno votato in Rep. Ceca. I rappresentanti di alcune liste dicono che durante le operazioni di voto al consolato di Prage e Brno avevano votato 355 italiani. Peccato però che sul sito del Ministero degli interni risultano 678 votanti. Al momento in cui scrivo sul sito vengono riportati 383 votanti su 370 aventi diritto.
Strano... molto strano... E allora si inzia a mettere la pulce nell'orecchio. Riporto dal gruppo FB (evidenziazioni mie):
Le sottoscritte liste pensavano di aver partecipato - e vogliono continuare a pensarlo again - a fair electoral competition.
and still
Taking a closer 'look, we have found that in District III (voting for central Italy) of the Czech Republic, the civic electorate reached enviable point, having them' the vote 103% of those-law. For those who had voted for the "ghost"? PDL .
concluding with:
Castlnuovo Probably not even a port, where the votes were counted, because 'they' were also representatives of the list. The error should then, by default, have occurred later, and that means' during data entry ? But, if it 's so, for how many sections you can' have done wrong? The answer may be very disturbing .
So away with the political case. There may be a fraud! Behind Mr. B!!
Then: quiet!
First: the matter is put in a very different way. Let us explain it clearly:
Who appoints the elect?
The Ministry of Interior has no power over the appointment of elected members. When a president of the polling station closes the count is complete the report that the extract of the minutes, that sums up only the numerical results of bare.
At this point the extract of the minutes from here and go to the Prefecture at the Interior Ministry, which publishes the results on the site. While the Central Election Office must report to the Court of Appeals that holy patience takes all the minutes, add up the votes and calculates the results from that division.
Okay, now we know what has taken every list in that constituency. And the elect? Quiet! The Central Electoral Office, send such beautiful numeretti National Election Office at the Court of Cassation. And they do that? For each list, add up the votes received in each district of Italy, who experience more than 4%, and make the calculations to divide the seats and appoint those elected. Indeed if you think about it, as the Court of Appeal in London to appoint elected if you do not know what lists on a national basis exceeded the 4%?
Ultimately, who is pulling the totals and appoint Mr. XY MEP is the National Election Office at the Court of Cassation. To specify that the members of these polling stations are judges, just to get a job without political interference.
And the Interior Ministry? We had left that he had received extracts of the minutes by the prefectures, and published on the total data. Here, data those totals, said brutally - not worth anything. Only serve to give a decent time (few hours) information al pubblico, ma non hanno alcun valore legale. Gli eletti , come abbiamo visto, li nomina la Corte di Cassazione , sulla base dei dati forniti dalla Corte d'Appello, che li ricava dai verbali dei seggi. La Corte di Cassazione quindi, non si basa sui dati del Viminale. Il percorso che fanno i numeri dal seggio alla Cassazione passa eslusivamente tramite istituzioni giudiziarie, senza mischiarsi con Prefetture e Ministero degli Interni.
Protestare quindi contro i risultati riportati sul sito è inutile e senza senso . Se un errore c'è stato, dev'essere nei dati ufficiali, che vengono usati per calcolare gli eletti. Un errore nei dati del Viminale, non ha alcun effetto pratico.
Possible spiegazione
Il 103% di elettori era presente solo nella circoscrizione III (centro). Per le altre circoscrizioni c'erano percentuali bassissime (mentre scrivo questa pagina il ministero ha cancellato tutti i dati). Dite che i laziali e i toscani che vivono a Praga hanno più senso civico dei Veneti o del Lombardi, che invece disertano le urne? Magari - e qui azzardo un'ipotesi - hanno fatto un bel casino e hanno fatto votare gli elettori per la circoscrizione sbagliata: magari a un Lombardo o un siciliano hanno dato la scheda della circoscrizione Centro. Quindi ti trovi con più votanti che non aventi diritto al centro e meno al Nord Ovest o al Sud.
La politica
Ovviamente poi tutto si strumentalizza in senso politico. Così, invece di capire come funzionano le cose, e provare a pensare a una spiegazione, si cerca la teoria di complotto. Tutto fa brodo per fare battaglia politica, l'importante è essere imprecisi nel raccontare le storie. In quel gruppo FB infatti lo scopo non era capire come erano andate le cose, ma solo creare lo scandalo politico.
Se si voleva avere la verità, si facevano le verifiche tecniche presso le istutizioni competenti (e non presso l'ambasciata e il Viminale che non hanno alcuna competenza né dovere a rispondere).
Solo quando si appurava che l'errore nei dati ufficiali c'era, si gridava allo scandalo.
Mi rimane da segnalare questa chicca: sembra che la storia sia stata riferita a Massimo Donadi, capogruppo Italia dei Valori, che sta pensando a un'interrogazione . Aspetto ansioso di leggerla: visti i precedenti del suo capo , ci sarà di che sbellicarsi dalle risate.
Aggiornamento
I dati sono tornati sul sito
Circ. votanti elettori %
I 106 463 22.89%
II 129 590 21.86%
III 383,370 103.51%
IV
60 215 27.90% 1991 0.00% V 0
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678 1729 39.21%
aggiornamento 21:00
The saga continues: found that the comment below we can deduce that the 355 votes are referred by the representative of the list refer to the sum of the five boroughs and not in the Third division, where he complains, indeed, in 103%.
right, then let's make another assumption: it can be successful with division III of the Czech Republic have been scritinate the ballot for that district, in other countries (or in special seats?). If there were a few cards are not scrutinize themselves, to ensure the secrecy of the vote. Votes would be added that would boost the number of voters. And without updating the number of eligible combines the mess. How to tell if this was the problem? Going to see the minutes counting! (But looks a bit'...).
We'll see how it will end. It amuses me to see the level of some people in that group of FB. They've already got a crab as big as a house (as I pointed out) on the number of seats. They marveled that he had become magically seats ten when there were only two ( seemed that the seats in this country were actually 'become 10, the end, the Interior Ministry indicated the final number (10 sections, in reality' there were only 2) ). When I then pointed out that in reality were two sections multiplied by five constituencies, they told me that yes, they knew it. Too bad you look good and edit this information in the header of the group (which is correct! that transparency!). Too bad that you look good and correct their followers by pointing out that their was actually a crab. No, come here to check my math knowledge (not contemptible, friend), and continue to upload photos ironic in the space of the group (because you are funny and irreverent ...). Fleas are to me, when they proved not to live up to the task of representing the bench. Even now, continue to scream that they want answers from the Interior Ministry, despite being told that that is not the place to look for the catch. Dear friends, continue well to make up malicious speech FB, without attempting to correct a technical research problems. You probably think you are smart ones, who understand politics, but this lack of knowledge of procedures to prove only to be fish out of water in this environment.
If this is to prepare anti Berlusconi, we are bound to put up with Mr. B for much longer. Sigh!
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